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While President Trump was facing political persecution in a Colorado court seeking to block his 2024 run for the Oval Office, former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy was at the University of Oxford debating the merits of U.S. interventionism. McCarthy was joined by Republican strategist and former roommate Frank Luntz and Democrat Representative Jim Himes.

The Oxford Student reports that a debate hosted by the Oxford Union put forth the notion “This House Believes U.S. Interventionism Has Done More Harm Than Good.” It’s unclear why attending this debate on a college campus in a foreign nation was a priority for McCarthy while the de facto leader of his party is under unprecedented political persecution in his home country. Globalist nonprofits like George Soros-backed CREW are using lawfare to kick Trump off of the ballot in the 2024 Presidential election, and Kevin McCarthy is debating British college students about the glories of neoconservatism.

Speakers supporting the position that U.S. interventionism does more harm than good noted that “peace at the expense of innocent lives is no peace at all.” They accused American interventions of promoting “neo-liberal capitalism” in service of U.S. interests. One speaker pointed out that “the U.S. supports democracy as long as the country supports U.S. interests.”

Jim Himes countered by calling the U.S. an “indispensable nation” to the world and presumed that there would be “concentration camps in Edinburgh,” and the Nazis would have nuked London if it weren’t for American involvement in World War II. Frank Luntz, clad in an ill-fitting suit and tennis shoes, reflected on the time he spent at Oxford counseling former Prime Minister Boris Johnson during his election as Union President. The Oxford Student notes that Luntz “mocked Donald Trump on multiple occasions” and “said he was happy to have Democrats and Republicans on the same side of a debate.”

Headliner Kevin McCarthy oddly began his speech by asking the audience whose first language was German, Italian, or Russian, playing on the old trope that “we’d all be speaking German” if the United States never intervened in WWII. “You’re welcome,” McCarthy said when the majority of the English crowd confirmed that their first language was English.

McCarthy went on to call Iran, Russia, and China an “evil axis of power,” making allusions to the axis of the WWII era. McCarthy ended with platitudes like “peace without freedom is meaningless” and America is “more than a country, it’s an ideal.”

Somehow, McCarthy, Luntz, and Himes persuaded the audience. In a final vote of 175 to 160, the motion “This House Believes U.S. Interventionism Has Done More Harm Than Good” failed to pass. The most conservative politicians in the U.K. aren’t typically very far right, and most could be considered center-right neoconservatives. Perhaps that’s why American neocons and a Democrat convinced the crowd that U.S. interventionism is a force for good by talking a lot about Nazis and mocking President Trump.